My point exactly krimpr..as I hear good things about Lightwave...a modeler is a personal tool. So while both seem to be able to do what you want I suggest you get a trail of both Lightwave and Cinema 4D and see which one works best for you. Noone has use for a $800 plus piece of software that sits on a shelf collecting dust...you need to fall in love with it to be able to return after brutal failure knowing it missed you too ;) Marco.