I heard about Poser at a computer trade show prior to Poser (one's) release. I remember calling every 2 months for over a year to find out when "that posable mannequin program" was due out while deadline after deadline for release was missed. Got to where the woman on the switchboard and I were on first-name basis, and chatted more often than I did with most of my family members. G I think it was about 11 months before Fractal Design (I think that was MetaCreation's previous name) would accept my credit card order, and even then they were obliged to offer to cancel the transaction every 6 weeks thru several more missed deadlines before they started shipping. Nostalgic Sigh Memories, memories . . . What a change from today - Those were the days, eh?