About a week before the official retail release of Poser1 ... I was working in a software store at the time and specialised in graphics programs. I remember thinking at the time what neat thing it was and if they kept working it would be a very useful program some day. And now .. well we're looking at a new release soon from what I've heard and I make my rent from making stuff for Poser. Life sure does move along doesnt it. Lyrra the Ex-Evil Overlord