Well... I see tha Dramatic Pumeco has started the Process all over again... Len...Just let it drop and let life go on... The Bryce Community has never been this bad and I hope it never gets this Bad again... Just STOP.... Most folks wish you a happy venture in the other Projects and wish that -*** did come out as a Freebie for folks that need the presets to Quickly do Promotional Materials for Adds and such...Even a low cost Product would have been great with some top notch Brycers as Betatesters you could have been makin a few bucks... But ya went about it wrong and you havent been totally up front with the community at Large..When Challenged to put up or Go away you just kept Ignoring the Challenge and havent responded...But you keep Popping up talking about -*** and getting everybody all upset... I said I Apologize to the Community at Large because I feel they dont need o see this Crap being Bantered around one of the best Forums that was online before Pro-Render was EVEN thought about... You I still challenged but I do understand you saying..."It's pointless because it has been Dropped" You can reply or Not...Until I see Pro-Render in action on my machine I will still consider it "VaporWare" Have a great and awesome money Making Ventures on your other Products...