"point-to-point" is a cool tool, but it leaves you with a series of straight lines that make up your outline. I still prefer the pen tool to outline objects (it takes a bit of practice to really get ahold of, but in the end, it is a whole lot easier). Let's say you wanted to outline a circulare object - turns into a pain in the butt with a lasso tool (click click click etc, etc.) - with the pen tool, you can outline a perfect circle with four click and drags - and if it's not perfect, you can go back and tweak the outline after the fact. You can even create multiple outlines and shift-click to select two, three - however many outlines you want. Another thing I've found that works for me - outlining hair (when it's fairly flat, it's not such a big deal - but when it's frizzy - woof!. I'll take the pen tool and outline an area outside of the hairline, select that outline and paste it into a new layer, then create a fairly small, extremely narrow brush and delete sections of the hair, rotating the brush every now and then, which leaves a frizzy sort of outline. The neat thing about Photoshop is that there are several ways to accomplish the same thing - and it's a matter of what's most efficient for the individual user - but explore all the possibilities. Wolf