Zippyozzy I think that bryce came first. I thought as much. I had Bryce 5 given to me by a friend. I bought P4 not too long ago. I wanted to make short, animation cartoons and couldn't make my own characters out of anything, went hunting around the 3D sites and saw Poser and checked it out and low and behold, it had everything I needed for character rendering. Bought it at the store the next day, worth every penny. I'm such a newbie still, 9 months later. Bryce and P4 looked like they had almost the same interface. I like Bryce a lot and use it for background making in P4. Message edited on: 02/07/2005 23:25