LOL ... yes I noticed improved renderer is on the list for Bryce 5.5 ;) You're ighting suggestions sound good. Three lights will be much easier to render than the gazillion of a lighting dome. I can work my way up to more complex stuff, when 5.5 arrives ...hehe! Or even take what I learn in Bryce and learn to apply it in Mojoworld ....muauauahaugh!!! Many thanks ^_^ -david