Hummm, that's odd, my husband thought poser was a toy until I did some videos for a project we're working on, he was blown away. Any program takes work, poser just allows you to do some things easier and faster. I own Lightwave and I love it, but I still use Poser for a lot of scut work. You need to look around to see what people have done in poser, I think you'll change your mind. BTW, the model on the cover of the lightwave 6 book sold for millions......sigh I still have such a long way to go! 8^) Marque