So thats what its for, Thanks. Yeah, photoshop. Just playing around with Apo to find out what it will do and thinking of ways to use it. Getting absorbed by sort of abstract stuff right now -- flat-looking more or less. Not what I started out trying to do. Speaking of science fiction, did you see Titan AE? There are some beautiful scenes that have a sort of fractal quality (what does that mean?) and I intend to watch it again, now that I have had more experience with 3D programs. Thanks again. Phil