I'm not saying that Poser is a high-end animation suite. It's a $250 program. I'm having problems with animations too, but I wouldn't go into something too detailed in Poser, I'll take it into something else. I've learned not to get too frustrated, I don't expect too much from the lower-end programs and so am not disappointed if they don't perform like lightwave or max. But I'm finding that there are some things that it does that don't take too much. I'm not trying to make someone breathe. There is supposed to be a tutorial out there somewhere on breathing, is that the one you followed? I have problems with a lot of the tutorials, sometimes the simplest things evade me. I never thought it would take this much work, but I guess that's why lots of us aren't in Hollywood right now cranking out the next big movie. 8^) Marque