That's it operaguy. I'm not worried about textures or light and render effects, or anything like that... My concern comes from the actual figure, the shape itself. I "create" my characters in poser, but I work on 3ds max, and I've been long time investigating sss shading techniques, texturing and illumination, in reference to the human figure and photorealism. Now that I've somehow mastered these areas, I'm in the need of a good model, as my V3s are starting to come quite short on realism... I don't think that Judy or EJ are much realistic. Don't know, maybe I haven't worked enough in the Face room, but to me V3 seems like the way to go. I'm actually considering buying Silent Smile for V3, but I'd like to get some more options, any other ideas? Thanks again guys! Ike.