I even tried itin V2 samething happened. I have yet to do a good render with V3 lol. I'll start this ver tonight when I'm not so tired and see what happens. I love poser for the animation, thats what got me hooked just wish the cloths would conform easier. Wishlist for P6. I can render Michael 3 in less time than VICKY. I think EVE in P4 spoiled me, everything seemed to fit her perfectly. :)