Very cool. Useful for admirers of the Real Skin Shader, for instance, just change the texture map and the bump map is already 'there". so where did this material room come from? outer space? My fantasy: the material room teleported down first. It boldly went where it should have gone..into Poser5. The render engine is in the transporter room right now. Release of Poser6 immanent. BEAM IT DOWN, CL! ::::: Opera :::::