Per Stephan's comment about Max smoothing and doubling polys, my question would be...how much of the excellent look of the renders is because of Max lighting and those smoothing effects? If this model would render as beautifully in Poser as the samples show, she would be worth 195.00 to me both as a top-notch "look" and for the hair and clothes...but only if I am committed to learning the setup room skills this would require. I like to challenge myself that way. Helgard, Vicki is not on my radar at all, and I am already onto Judy-EJ as my fundamental model. But there is something about this Masha model..... ::::: Opera :::::