i'm with you, stewar. I've been getting terrific results with Judy/EJ and her mesh looks much like this Masha mesh, and the 30-40% quicker rendertime (I measured it carefully) over Vicki...gotta have that as an animator. And even in close up, she is smooth. I am getting exquisite control of her face, as well...so...why WOULD anyone need more polys indeed? I'm glad to hear the facts about the Poser smoothing feature. I usually turn it on for closeups, but you have to go pretty darn close to notice much of a difference. ::::: Opera :::::