Hi folks, I have had very good results making hair in Poser 5 thanks to NeilP for tipping me off to the curl tool. With this tool, you select the hairs you want to manipulate, then you can translate, twist, scale etc. It's not for the squimish--takes a lot of trial and error. After a several hours of practice, Excedrine, choice words, you can create beautiful hair. With clothes, I have had a tiny bit of success with one primitive, the square cloth, you can drape it over, say Judy, and make toga type dresses beginning at the neck, chest, hips (depending on what you have selected for the cloth to collide against.) It may not have the beauty of the clothes for sale or some of the freebies, but it's yours. With a lot of practice-hours in fact- you may like the results. Plutom