oh ok, i figured as much but i wasnt sure. plus i also need to fix this one in psp. i did try at first in poser to have the pain on the head not show up on initial pose then show up when the head hit the wall but that didnt work. i guess its not possible to do that in poser. anyhow are there any tutorials i can follow to make these. i am still not able to save the darn pose for this one animation and if i cant do just one i wont be able to do the others. :( bea