Yes blaufield. I agree. So far I am not really impressed. It looks like Bryce. I never liked Bryce. Ya can't do much with it except make forest backgrounds. I was going to get mover 5 too, but after learning animation in Max, I can composit them in MSP, and get the same effect. If I am missing something good, please tell me. Why all the hype about Vue? What is it good for except nature? Does it do good space scenes? Please tell me. And thanks so much for all the replies. :)