but but but but!!! i said to put it at the neck, cuz he said those leg parts there were children of the torso, so... well, i mean, that means the neck had to be the torso's parent, donnit? i guess not, if the x is backwards. and scott... when you move the arms of the x so the green points where the red used to be and the red points where the green used to be, that means you've un-backwardized the x. :) see? okay, when the red arms of the x are pointing at your part and the green are pointing off, that means the x is backwards, cuz the green arms are supposed to be bracketing the part. so if you move the arms so the x is turned back around, then it ain't backwards any more. really, i have to train you and rob to use the proper terminologies, so we all quit confusing each other ;)