well shadownet you are either running screaming or savoring an embarassment of riches! I found wings difficult to get 'under my skin' but fell in love with trueSpace the minute I opened it and started flying around with the joystick. I am barely on the first slope of the learning curve but I know I am in the right place. Good Poser--truespace--poser path with plugin. I have 5.2 ::::: Opera :::::