SOH, don't get me wrong, I'm very fond of all the folks on RR, especialy in this forum, I just hate to see our little refuge from the outside world suffer the same PC nonsense that leads us to seek refuge here. I hope that even though we have some, shall I say intense debates on some ideas and ideals, the main reason we come here is to enjoy each other's company and to share our passion for photography. And to try and leave as much of the un-necessary BS out in the real world. Jack