carolly, I forgive you. You are in fact, half right. I didn't open it until SR 4 came out. I'll perfectly honest. I don't like P5 much. I use it because, as a merchant, I now make my products compatible with P4/P5/DS. The material room is the one feature of P5 that I really do like and I've spent a lot of time creating nodes for my stuff. I just find P5 very awkward to use, but it certainly has some excellent functions. Lucifer, I like daz studio, but I wouldn't even attempt to place it's material capabilities on a level with P5's. There's no question that P5 is streets ahead. Having said that, I'm confident that far more advanced features will come with later versions. It's only in beta and it's displacement is already on a par with P5's. mac