'I do actually find D/S harder to use than Poser5' It's only natural when you go from one software to another that it can get confusing. I think the major problem is that a lot of poser users try DS and expect it to be like poser. It is a poser-like app, but it has a very different approach to doing the same things. I didn't find it difficult because to me, DS is just the same as all the other apps I use - poser is the exception to the rule. LOL. And of course, a lot of the features we take for granted in poser don't exaist in DS yet. So if you try to edit joints for example, and find that there's no joint editor, you obviously think 'Hey, it's crap. It isn't even finished yet!' Which is true. It isn't finished yet. But by using the various versions as they come out, I now have a fairly good knowledge of how things work and what to expect. So, when new features are integrated, I can take them in my stride. Also, I kinda like discovering the new things in each version. 3d is supposed to be fun, right? mac