heyas; naah, i think most people know about it. the advanced guys, anyway. :) i use twist sometimes when i need a part to bend, but not around its center. you know, the center point of the s-s/bend jps is kinda tied to the center's location. you can't have them be in two different spots. the twist is a bit more independant, though. also, if you rotate the centers, you get mesh mush. dunno if you ever noticed that, i had a devil of a time with it on my latest figure. when you start rotating the centers, the mesh jiggles around a bit. VERY annoying. also, the recommended rotation order might have to do with avoiding gimbal lock. so i wouldn't use any old order just to use any old order. gotta have a good reason for your madness :) (and whatsa wd?)