Hmmm...Well CD in answer to your crticisms in order: 1. It is actually possible to model in Bryce so even if it were a "modeling" contest it still could be a Bryce contest. 2. No one said the results would be based on modeling. The admonition to go as fantastic as possible was merely to highlight the that the intent was not to try to create an accurate early plane but something more fanciful. As usual I would expect the votes to go toward the best render, at least that is how I vote in the challenges. 3. As to members who can't "do modeling" the only to learn is to do...that's why it is a challenge. I have learned a lot about bits of Bryce by being challenged in a monthly "challenge" to do something I wouldn't normally try. Besides if we didn't include models what would the challenge be? Who can place the tree on the best spot on the terrain object? 4. As to a "clique" I think you'd be hard pressed to create any grouping of individuals (aside from "contributors to this forum") that would include both drac and myself. I am sure the majority of the contributors here would also regret if anyone felt this forum was cliquish. If however you feel that you have been excluded then let me be the first to apologize...as one whom you have accussed of being cliquish...it was not intentional. Is this particular challenge tilted toward those who are strong modelers? Yes, and as a point of fact I don't put myself in that camp. Was the intent to eliminate anyone new or old? No, merely to create a "challenge" that would allow everyone to push their limits. Ok, I'll stop now.