Patrick, this would be an excellent idea to ask these guys. A really interesting question even when i see it more intelectually for me. I would not use any of the stuff in a scene anyway. I have thought again about Esthers comparison with Adobes free fonts on the Photoshop CDs. One little difference is here that is important. Adobe explicitely says that you can use the fonts for your work. E-on obviously does not say this (otherwise we wouldn't have this discussion). There is an important difference to me. And the copyright not clarified only because they come on their CDs and only because E-on said once in the past that you can use stuff from there. Another aspect to make it more difficult. The copyright treatment from a company like Onyx (TreePro). They don't allow the use of the models an owner creates with their software for other than in the owners own images. And if you read that literaltely even that is questionable in their blurb. I asked about the legality of this once in a legal community here in Germany. The answer was that this is not possible and that i should take them to court because they haven't told me that before i bought the software. And that results of a software can't be copyright claimed by the company that created the software. Maybe if you ask these guys in Geneva really you can ask this issue as well. And then we hunt Onyx with some lawyers and become incredibly rich!! :-))) Ok, i repeat my credo from my first part here. My artistic pride allows the use of things in my work only if the copyright is crystal clear. Full stop. If i have bought the things and/or if i have read the copyright words for any free stuff. and IF i use anything i always will credit the creators for the parts they have done in any of my images. This is an absolut minimum standard for me.

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