Open note to Karen: In reference to my suggestion in this thread that the objectors move their topic to the "off-topic" forum... I am unable to find the forum to which that first argument of this topic in which I was involved was moved, and later frozen. Also, there is no way to search across all Renderosity forums for me to search for it. This is not a complaint, simply an inquiry...has that forum been removed? I looked in "Render Wars" it is not in there. Thank you ::::: Opera :::::