Im not sure what you mean by a "the hobbit render" xantor? But it is for personal use.I just have a scene set up in my mind and i cant get it out unless i have a HUGE pile of gold.Large enough to accomidate the Mil Dragon.And hauksdottir,that was some funny stuff,but i think dragons come in gaggles or something to that effect :D And i checked the DAZ horde and it is very cheesy indeed.I wanted more 3d.Guess i gota go buy 3dstudio max and take a crash course to get what i want WAAAHHHH! Thanks for the interest in my plight.