clone tool is great! and hey...if you're gonna do it then have fun with it! i sure do see your progress too from your first experiment to this one! and thanks for showin' the steps as you go. i find that helpful! if you wanna submit this to the challenge, i would post another reply and change the subject line to read Thumb for Challenge Entry! "with the dimensions no bigger than 150 X 150, and under 15 KB." Hopefully if you change your subject line and make it in all caps, Doug will see it and add it to the challenge. Or i guess you could post a new thread with the image and thumb. not sure which would be better? cindy?