No problem gdmc2710, good bye. Now that the person is gone, does anyone want to express their criticism of my post, as Tunsey already has? This is the second time this has happened recently with me involved. Go ahead, take you shots but please make factual points. By the way, Tunsey, my response to you is simply this: "I am lost" was NOT the person's only sin. That they showed no initial initiative was sin1, which all us forgave without even mentioning it. Sin two, did not show initiative after given fine suggestion by maddy and others. After that, the person was nudged a little. The person WAY over reacted, that was sin 3, and then scolded the forum, sin 4. The last time somone went running away crying hurt and mad at me, several forum regulars criticized me, a few flamed me hard. I allowed as how one part of one post I made might have been too harsh. I apologized in the forum, AND IMed the person with an apology. I was willing to do that, even though I believed I was going to far. I DID get an IM back, and the person apologized TO ME that they had overreacted because of somthing in their personal life and that my post had NOT hurt them. They came back to the forum. So, I am open to a discussion about, really, how far do you go with a new person? I will defend the position that you go far and be polite, mild and generous, but not if the person offers NOTHING, or, like the person in this thread, less than nothing. ::::: Opera :::