Good lord. Y'all sound like a buncha whiny kids. I like Renderosity, have been a member for years, and intend to continue for years more, but D@MN it. Some of you make me wanna take you back to your parents for remedial spankings. 1. In the movie industry, underground generally--but not always--pplies to content, not publishing style. HOWEVER, it HAS been applicable to some films only for method of publishing, usually when the film couldn't get published in any other fashion. 2. Inaneness, inane-ness, etc. Given some of the l33t spellers and 'u b smart 2' typists, who cares if it's a word or not if you get the point? sheesh.