I believe in Ethics. All I am saying is that its not a matter of ethics. They are demonstrating the product. And you can head on over to any other software's gallery, and you will rarely, if ever see a quote of other software used to produce the image. And it can be assumed that at least photoshop was used. Also, keep in mind that many of the images are sent by users, and the user says in the email, I made this in Carrara, so Eovia posts the image, and because they don't have the information they just post it as Carrara. And Eovia may pop into the forums from time to time, but they don't track the images and what was made with what. If you look on the Eovia gallery, you will see that a few images do have quotes as to software used. I just think you guys are being a bit harsh, with the limited information that you have. I do firmly believe that every image in the gallery could be created almost completely with Carrara given a person with enough talent and determination. That said, maybe I am being a bit moody, I've had a rough week, so forgive me.