'chelle - Correct, no flash. Probably half second exposure. I let the flames act like a rear curtain sync. I don't think I was set with this one, looking at the excessive movement. Last one I posted is closer to what I was trying to do. Cyn - Okay, we're going to have to cut you off and ask you to leave if you get rowdy. :) I just woke up ... I can't follow that kind of logic. :) -=>Donald