I do think that Amapi is quite on par with Lightwave and the other more advanced modeling programs, so I don't doubt that the models could be produced with CS4 Pro and Designer very easily. I don't think the question is whether it could be done, because we all know that its possible. Its just why it wasn't done. I think as users of Carrara we aren't necessarily upset that other programs were used to produce the models in the images, just upset that they weren't quoted, and that Carrara, Amapi, etc, were not demonstrated as they should be. Now that I've taken the time to read this thread a bit mroe, I do see where you all are coming from. Personally I'm just disappointed that Eovia doesn't petition the community for Carrara/Amapi images made in the program, and I don't see any harm in labeling that another piece of software was used, as it show's Carrara's compatibility and workflow value. Brian