Mizrael & Sarte, /SET mode +sarcasm "Yep Ban all them dirty tubers!!! They're not like US! I mean it's not like they do REAL art or anything /Set mode -sarcasm Now much as I hate to get in the way of a budding lynch party... Are you aware that there are "tubers" who make their own Poser/Bryce/Vue renders, then make them into tubes either for sale or as freebies? They also run "safe" Yahoo/MSN/etc. groups & mail lists where a prerequisite of membership is that you understand & adhere to copyright laws (some even maintain copyright forums to gasp educate their members :-). Not to mention that several of these "tubers" have been more instrumental in identifying illegal tubes/tube sites, notifying Renderosity artists, and getting the illegal sites shut down. And do you know what the corker is? All of the tubers mentioned above are also members here, and there are a lot of artists who are very glad they are. So next time you pull out that righteous indignation make sure you're not aiming at too broad a target ok?