"This is not about whether or not Eovia makes good products or not. Carrara an Amapi are great! It is about the company not being totally forthcoming on the creation of art posted in the galleries." Very well said steama. This is the topic being discussed on this thread wayne, not me. It is a well known fact, if you have ever participated in any type of debate, that when the object of the discussion changes from the topic to the person that you have conceded the argument and can no longer debate logically. There are a few extremists here who would like nothing more then to direct the course of conversation on this forum. Then are the "say nothing bad about Eovia or their products" or we will attack you. They are to ones who say, "go away" when the truth is told. They are also the ones who are in constant contact with Eovia. We all know who you are. "Oh, don't say anything bad about Eovia or their products on the forum. Contact them secretly by e-mail so no one will hear about what is going on." Give me a break! The fact is that I am a Carrara user and I have dealt with Eovia. I will discuss with users here about issues that develop whenever I wish and I will not be shutdown by those who agenda it is to promote Eovia at all costs. I believe there are a lot more of us moderate Carrara users here who won't be molded or told what to say or not to say or how to say or where to say or who to say it too. You want to debate with me. I'm here. You want to attack me personally. Read the TOS! You few outspoken company frontmen don't run this forum or this website.