I DO agree about waiting for Poser6, or at least until the full announcement of it's capabilites. It might have hardware support on render (although I doubt it) and that would make a big difference in your decision. Storm....I do just want you said, sliding sys's along as hardware gets better/faster/cheaper. And building a new 3D optimized rig is very smart. You can back out a LOT of junk processes and internet garbage, and that really helps optimize for render speed. ::::: Opera :::::