There was only one release of the Freak obj as far as I know, but many, many updates to M3. Check the latest version of your M3. It should be: blMilMan_m3.obj 14,785,610 bytes Created Wed, Oct 1, 2003, 4:27 PM Modified Fri, Jan 7, 2005, 12:13 AM Or you can just download the free M3 to make sure you're current. bB