Funnny how it all works. I remember that P5 was about the most anticipated program I've ever seen, so many here just couldn't wait and were VERY vocal about it. THen it came out and (mostly) the same people that were begging and cussing at CL to get P5 out no matter what, started complaining about ALL of it's problems. For my part, I had no problems, really. I pre-ordered P5 and was very happy with it. Maybe it was the learning curve that kept me from being fustarated, by the time I learned enough to use one of the so-called "broken" functions CL came out with a service release that fixed it. I've been happy with the program, and only fustrated with my own use of it at times. CL has my pre-order and I am waiting (NOT patiently) to see the improvement of P6. The hints and single picture of the new character impresses me. I liked some things with Judy, yes, even over Victoria 2 and 3! When 3Dream came out with Eternal Judy, EJ immediately jumped to the top of my list. I think Jesse may get there if she retains some of Judy's features. She certainly looks better out of the box, than Judy did. I guess the best I can sum it up is, I can't wait for P6! Bring it on! If it has faults I fully expect that CL will fix it. I just hope I can dredge up enough talent to use it, and would rather put my energy in that direction than to spend time complaining about something I haven't even seen yet. mike