I am always serious about the renderer in Poser and it has nothing to do with anything else. I really hope that Poser 6 improved the renderer to make organic looking poser figures. The shadows and lightings in P3 to P5 always make poser figures look nasty and charcoal like painting. When I first heard about P6 adopting openGL implementation I went to the website and looked at the P6 box with an image of Snow Queen, I immediately preordered it. But I just received an email from CL with an complete image of Snow Queen, the renderer still look crap. It is not what I preordered for. Geez.. This is a honest complaint and it need to be heard GWeb