"How about this - spend a couple of hours a week learning how to do something new in poser - go read some tutorials. Show off what you've done so someone else may learn from it." Funny you should say that. I'm almost finish a Shade tutorial. Which I might add, may be useful for some of you. You are getting a version of it with P6. Then again, you might not want to bother with it. Doc. Geep, I'm not. I just have a couple of renders to finish and I'll have it up in the Shade forum in a couple of hours. Get it straight, I love my P5, that's why I have high hopes for P6.