BOTH do want to make as much money as possible..... Um, doesn't any business want to do that? Companies aren't in business to lose money! >> They hardly participate in forums (as E-on does for example), they often neglect answering important questions. That's the tragic part. We used to see the folks from DAZ and CL in here a lot more. But something happened to this community. Something that can mostly be attributed to changing with the times. You see, it used to be a much nicer community of people that shared, and got along, and did things for each other. But at the end of 2000, the Internet craze went bust. All of a sudden, people had to pay to share their free stuff. Fewer and fewer sites became available to share them .. so people started charging for them. So then the Poser community became "commercialized." And the community started complaining about how much Poser was costing them. At the same time, CL was going through some very heavy times with changing hands. Again, related to the economy. That is STRESSFUL to go through. It's good for us that they survived. That's why they need a chance. As for DAZ, yes they are a business as well. BUT they are a business that has constantly been LOWERING their prices, and now are giving their flagship figures away for free. As for neglecting questions, perhaps one of the reasons that neither company comes in here often is because of the volume level and constant threat of attack. Would you want to face that?