Actually, I found Vue easier to use. I tried the Bryce4 demo, but I couldn't figure out the interface. And after two weeks of fooling around with it, I still couldn't figure out how to move things around. Everything kept winding up smack in the center of everything. Talk about your basic mess. :) Vue's interface, on the other hand, is much more similar to that of Max or Paint Shop Pro. Managed to make a halfway decent image my first day with Vue. Still haven't been able to create any sort of image with Bryce, other than clicking on the mountain icon and rendering whatever shows up. Kate