Larry gave us a reasonably comprehensive program for pennies... and it forced the bigger players to drop their prices. When I looked at Maya a few years back, it would have been $30,000 for a single basic seat of the software and more for the add-ons PLUS another $12,000 for the SGI box to run it on. Now? Maya, Lightwave, 3DStudio are all under $10,000 and an independent artist working at home can afford any of them. For that we all should be grateful. We have choice. Poser isn't perfect. I run into walls with it, too. But I didn't pay $30,000 either. (For that sort of price I'd expect it to read my mind, render the movie, and provide fresh buttered popcorn.) For what it does, Poser is an incredible value... and allows even hobbyists to make art and to share it. As much as we snicker at NVITWAS, the average joe has made an image and put his name on it and was brave enough to post it in public. He got views and got ego strokes and after a roguh day in the office that has value. It might not be Art, but it has made him happier. You might not like happy hobbyists, but depriving a couple hundred thousand people of a tool just to feed your own ego seems terribly selfish to me. So... what have YOU given the community? Larry gave us an award-winning piece of software that allows us all to make something according to our skills, and priced it within our budget. What in high heaven have you done? Carolly