i might also add, its NOT pointless to post them, randym. that's bordering on conformity, allowing the community to dictate what you're going to create, or put into YOUR gallery. where is the art in that? sure, you'll proly get the same snide comments as above, but you'll also get other comments from people who actually can appreciate the beauty of the human form in both genders, regardless of whether its clothed or unclothed. E.D.