In all fairness, there is some surface creedence to the concerns about everything in P6 going to the render engine. There are no new non-rendering features. Increased stability of exisiting stuff with a few minor interface tweaks. That's about it, on the surface. But to enable some of those rendering elements, there will be new shader capabilities, at the least. Insofar as recieving responses to a statement that are contrary to a posted one, it is just as grievous an error to assume that "jumping into a thread just to be negative about a very debatable point just shows how people in the modern world today demand that we do as they say" as it is for them to do so. Especially when the point is admittedly debatable and the motivation for such a post is uncertain -- some folks just tend to be devil's advocates. Then there's others more like RK...