For those of use with VuePro, a discount to $149 is a significant benefit to pre-ordering. And maybe you should wait and =see= how the system actually operates...or at least wait until the NDA is lifted enough for the testers (those who have actually touched and used the system in question)to comment openly. As to the Cityscape flyover...What exactly is impressive? Well, lets see. Those are -not- Vue native models; they are 100% Poser-fied OBJs and textures. No tesselation, as Mobius 87's Dystopia freebies are not high poly enough to prevent faceting of the cylinders by that process. Those modules were dispersed across multiple terrains. Phoul has said previously that he does not use particularly high end hardware. That shot was done with something that probably didn't even qualify as a release candidate at the time it must have been made, so the memory management involved has to be something that is almost a quantum leap from previous incarnation of Vue. Sounds mildly impressive to me. Never mind all the other things they threw in there, as well...