I was one of the ones who seemed to not be having the kinds of trouble others were Bear, and asking about things like system configuration, to see if maybe the problem was solvable by cleaning up some issues at the user end. I work retail for a living. I'm already an honest whore. >:) I'm factoring the 3rd party plugins, new rendering engine, and so on myself. On top of aging, Mac based-Windows ported code. As I've said before, it was a miracle it runs at all, never mind how well it runs. I haven't made up my mind at the moment, as I don't have the app in hand to decide -with- (but frankly, I'm a little concerned with the instability that OpenGL could introduce). People do have the right to be hesitant, if they feel the need. But frankly, there has been more than a little exhumation of vitriol that should have been left buried a year ago. So P5 sucked rocks out of the gate. That was 2 years ago. This is P6. Those who will never touch another CL app to save their life are pretty much irrelevant in this matter...save only as a vocal minority, much of which apparently won't feel happy until they find the coffin and stake the bloodsucker personally. My concerns are more for the newbies who weren't here, and have no idea of the past history of the debate, and the personalities behind it. If it falls on its ass well and good. It will deserve the roasting it gets. But fairness demands that it be allowed to make the attempt, without mean spirited attempts at sabotage. And that isn't accusing you, Bear, but you can't deny that some of the rubbish has been just that. Hells bells, we're even getting naysayers over in the Vue forum about Infinite, and that tends to be one of the most laid back fora here. Makes me wonder what's being put in the water, y'know?