This is the answer of Matt to Jospost on the UF list ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.middaycrisis.homestead.com/ The web-site does still exist...and I am Matt. As I originally stated when I posted the link to them on Renderosity, the .fla file was made available to give people an insight into creating faces in Apophysis. They are not free to use, they are just reference material to help people create their own faces... You can keep the image uploaded if you give credit to me for the original image. If you don't want to do that then I would appreciate it if you deleted it. Regards, Matt (CriminallyInsane).-