Well, unless I messed something up, laura's hands don't look very good scaled down with my fix. I used exactly what you posted here NW, so I think the new CR2 has some modified joints (improved to handle this). So, we give vicky smaller hands...now, let's find a way to make her have shorter legs (inverse use of the stretch legs causes problems with the feet....arg). Jim Burton, you are correct. I had been looking at the file name all morning, you would think I would have remembered it correctly....doh! eric